According to renown Beatles
author Mark Lewisohn, this is the Beatles' first-ever radio interview. Lewisohn
accurately describes it as rare and fascinating, not just for historical
importance, but also because it's wonderfully intriguing. The following ordeal
was interviewed by Monty Lister, with additional questions from Malcolm
Threadgill and Peter Smethurst on behalf of Radio Clatterbridge, a
closed-circuit radio station serving Cleaver and Clatterbridge Hospitals.
Enjoy.
MONTY: It's a very great
pleasure for us this evening to say hello to an up-and-coming Merseyside group,
The Beatles. I know their names, and I'm going to try and put faces to them.
Now, you're John Lennon, aren't you?"
JOHN: "Yes, that's
right."
MONTY: "What do you do
in the group, John?"
JOHN: "I play harmonica,
rhythm guitar, and vocal. That's what they call it."
MONTY: "Then, there's
Paul McCartney. That's you?"
PAUL: "Yeah, that's me.
Yeah."
MONTY: "And what do you
do?"
PAUL: "Play bass guitar
and uhh, sing? ...I think! That's what they say."
MONTY: "That's quite
apart from being vocal?"
PAUL: "Well... yes,
yes."
MONTY: "Then there's
George Harrison."
GEORGE: "How d'you
do."
MONTY: "How d'you do.
What's your job?"
GEORGE: "Uhh, lead
guitar and sort of singing."
MONTY: "By playing lead
guitar does that mean that you're sort of
leader of the group or are you...?"
GEORGE: "No, no. Just...
Well you see, the other guitar is the rhythm. Ching, ching, ching, you
see."
PAUL: "He's solo guitar,
you see. John is, in fact, the leader of
the group."
MONTY: "And over in the
background, here, and also in the background of the group making a lot of noise is Ringo Starr."
RINGO: "Hello."
MONTY: "You're new to
the group, aren't you Ringo?"
RINGO: "Yes, umm, nine
weeks now."
MONTY: "Were you in on
the act when the recording was made of
'Love Me Do'?"
RINGO: "Yes, I'm on the
record. I'm on the disc."
(the group giggles)
RINGO: (comic voice)
"It's down on record, you know?"
MONTY: "Now,
umm..."
RINGO: "I'm the
drummer!"
(laughter)
MONTY: "What's that
offensive weapon you've got there? Those are your drumsticks?"
RINGO: "Well, it's
umm... just a pair of sticks I found. I just bought 'em, you know, 'cuz we're
going away."
MONTY: "When you say
you're going away, that leads us on to another question now. Where are you
going?"
RINGO: "Germany.
Hamburg. For two weeks."
MONTY: "You have
standing and great engagements over there, haven't you?"
RINGO: "Well, the boys
have been there quite a lot, you know.
And I've been there with other groups, but this is the first time I've been
there with the Beatles."
MONTY: "Paul, tell us.
How do you get in on the act in Germany?"
PAUL: "Well, it was all
through an old agent."
(laughter)
PAUL: (chuckles) "We
first went there for a fella who used to manage us, and Mr. Allan Williams of
the Jacaranda Club in Liverpool. And he found the engagements, so we sort of went there, and then went under our
own..."
JOHN: "Steam."
PAUL: "Steam... (laughs)
JOHN: "...as they
say."
PAUL: "As they say, afterwards, you know. And we've just been going
backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards."
MONTY: (surprised)
"You're not busy at all?"
PAUL: (jokingly) "Well yes, actually. Yes. It's me left leg. You know. The war."
(laughter)
MONTY: "George, were you
brought up in Liverpool?"
GEORGE: "Yes. So far,
yes."
MONTY:
"Whereabouts?"
GEORGE: "Well, born in
Wavertree, and bred in Wavertree and Speke -- where the airplanes are, you
know."
MONTY: "Are you all
'Liverpool types,' then?"
RINGO: "Yes."
JOHN: "Uhh... types,
yes."
PAUL: "Oh yeah."
RINGO: "Liverpool-typed
Paul, there."
MONTY: "Now, I'm told that you were actually in the same form
as young Ron Wycherley..."
RINGO: "Ronald.
Yes."
MONTY: "...now Billy
Fury."
RINGO: "In Saint Sylus."
MONTY: "In which?"
RINGO: "Saint Sylus."
JOHN: "Really?"
RINGO: "It wasn't Dingle
Vale like you said in the Musical Express."
PAUL: "No, that was
wrong. Saint Sylus school."
MONTY: "Now I'd like to
introduce a young disc jockey. His name is Malcolm Threadgill, he's 16-years
old, and I'm sure he'd like to ask some questions from the teenage point of
view."
MALCOLM: "I understand
you've made other recordings before on a German label."
PAUL: "Yeah."
MALCOLM: "What ones were
they?"
PAUL: "Well, we didn't
make... First of all, we made a recording
with a fella called Tony Sheridan. We
were working in a club called 'The Top Ten Club' in Hamburg. And we made a
recording with him called, 'My Bonnie,' which got to number five in the German
Hit Parade."
JOHN: "Ach tung!"
PAUL: (giggles) "But it
didn't do a thing over here, you know. It wasn't a very good record, but the
Germans must've liked it a bit. And we did an instrumental which was released in France on an EP of Tony
Sheridan's, which George and John wrote themselves. That wasn't released here.
It got one copy. That's all, you know. It didn't do anything."
MALCOLM: "You composed
'P.S. I Love You' and 'Love Me Do' yourself, didn't you? Who does the composing
between you?"
PAUL: "Well, it's John
and I. We write the songs between us. It's, you know... We've sort of signed contracts and things to say, that now if
we..."
JOHN: "It's equal
shares."
PAUL: "Yeah, equal
shares and royalties and things, so that really
we just both write most of the stuff. George did write this instrumental, as we
say. But mainly it's John and I. We've written over about a hundred songs, but we don't use half of them, you know.
We just happened to sort of rearrange
'Love Me Do' and played it to the recording people, and 'P.S. I Love You,' and
uhh, they seemed to quite like it. So that's what we recorded."
MALCOLM: "Is there any more of your own compositions you intend to record?"
JOHN: "Well, we did record
another song of our own when we were down there, but it wasn't finished enough. So, you know, we'll take it back next time
and see how they like it then."
(long pause)
JOHN: (jokingly)
"Well... that's all from MY end!"
(laughter)
MONTY: "I would like to just ask you-- and we're recording this at
Hume Hall, Port Sunlight-- Did any of you come over to this side before you
became famous, as it were? Do you know this district?"
PAUL: "Well, we played
here, uhh... I don't know what you mean by famous, you know.
(laughter)
PAUL: "If being famous
is being in the Hit Parade, we've been over here-- we were here about two
months ago. Been here twice, haven't we?"
JOHN: "I've got
relations here. Rock Ferry."
MONTY: "Have you?"
JOHN: "Yes. Oh, all
sides of the water, you know."
PAUL: "Yeah, I've got a
relation in Claughton Village-- Upton Road."
RINGO: (jokingly) "I've
got a friend in Birkenhead!"
(laughter)
MONTY: "I wish I
had."
GEORGE: (jokingly) "I
know a man in Chester!"
(laughter)
MONTY: "Now, that's a
very dangerous thing to say. There's a mental home there, mate. Peter Smethurst
is here as well, and he looks like he is bursting with a question."
PETER: "There is just
one question I'd like to ask. I'm sure it's the question everyone's asking. I'd
like your impressions on your first appearance on television."
PAUL: "Well, strangely
enough, we thought we were gonna be dead nervous. And everyone said, 'You suddenly when you see the cameras, you realize
that there are two million people watching,'
because there were two million watching that 'People And Places' that we did...
we heard afterwards. But, strangely
enough, it didn't come to us. We didn't think at all about that. And it was
much easier doing the television than it was doing the (live musical
performance) radio. It's still nerve-wracking, but it was a bit easier than
doing radio because there was a full audience for the radio broadcast."
MONTY: "Do you find it
nerve-wracking doing this now?"
(laughter)
PAUL: (jokingly) "Yeah,
yeah."
MONTY: "Over at Cleaver
Hospital, a certain record on Parlophone-- the top side has been requested. So perhaps the Beatles
themselves would like to tell them what it's going to be."
PAUL: "Yeah. Well, I
think it's gonna be 'Love Me Do.'"
JOHN: "Parlophone
R4949."
(laughter)
PAUL: "'Love Me
Do.'"
MONTY: "And I'm sure,
for them, the answer is P.S. I love you!"
PAUL: "Yeah." (And
as the music faded, that was the end of the end of the broadcast.
Eight Months Later, a lot had happened, and on August 23rd, 1963, Klas Burling interviewed the Beatles following their performance in Bournemouth, Hampshire. The Fab Four were in the midst of a six-night engagement in at Bournemouth's Gaumont Cinema. This day, discussions lean toward the excitement releasing a brand new hot single.
KLAS: "On my left is a
boy... sounding like what?"
RINGO: "Uhh, Ringo.
That's me. You know me. (imitates drums) Ting-cha, bump bah-bump!"
KLAS: "This would be the
drums."
RINGO: "Yeah, that's...
Well..."
KLAS: "Well.."
(Beatles giggle)
KLAS: "And after that, we've got..?"
GEORGE: "George
Harrison."
KLAS: "Playing..?"
GEORGE: "Guitar."
KLAS: "Solo
guitar."
GEORGE: "Yes. (imitates
guitar) Dee deena-lee, deena-lee dee dee."
(laughter)
KLAS: "Next in line
is..?"
JOHN: (imitates guitar)
"Ja-jing jing jing, ja-ja jing jing."
(laughter)
JOHN: "John."
RINGO: "Lennon."
JOHN: "Rhythmus."
(Beatles giggle)
KLAS: "And on my right
side is..?"
PAUL: (imitates bass)
"boom bah-boom boom, bah-boom boom. Paul McCartney."
KLAS: "All from
Liverpool, known as..?"
PAUL & JOHN: "The
Beatles."
KLAS: "Yeah, that's
right. You've had some hits in Sweden, and have you ever thought about coming
to Sweden?"
RINGO: "Well, we'd like
to, you know. But we're so busy at the moment. I don't think we'll get there
until sometime next year if we go at
all."
PAUL: "Actually, you
know, we want to come because we've heard about the girls in Sweden. All
gorgeous blondes. you know."
GEORGE & JOHN:
"Yeah."
KLAS: "That's Paul, and
he's supposed to be the sweet boy in this family, no?"
PAUL: (jokingly) "Aww, shuttup."
(laughter)
JOHN: "His dad was a
Mars bar."
PAUL: (laughs)
KLAS: "And George, you
would like to go..."
GEORGE: "I would like to
go to Sweden, yes."
KLAS: "By the side, by
the way, is Michael Cox. An old friend of yours..."
RINGO: "Yeah...!"
JOHN: (loudly) "Hello,
Michael Cox!"
PAUL: "He's from
Liverpool, too."
GEORGE: "How is
he?"
MICHAEL COX: "Fine,
fine."
KLAS: "And he has told
you a lot about Sweden, and so on."
GEORGE: "Yes."
KLAS: "You're still
interested?"
BEATLES: "Yeah!"
RINGO: "More than
ever."
KLAS: "After this, we'll get to your recording of 'Twist And
Shout.' I watched you, and John you are singing..."
JOHN: "Shouting
it."
KLAS: "Yeah, you're
shouting it, really. How do you feel from
that... the throat?"
JOHN: "Well, um, at first it was hard. But when I do it
twice a night, it's easy." (imitates dog barking)
(laughter)
JOHN: (giggling) "It's
quite easy now. Practice, you know, if I keep shouting every night. But a year
ago I couldn't sing it."
KLAS: "And another thing
in your stage act, John, is all that SICK humor. You've got funny hands,
and..."
JOHN: "Well, I thought
it was quite healthy."
KLAS: (laughs)
RINGO: "It's not sick.
He's just a cripple."
(laughter)
JOHN: (giggling) "I'm
not, I'm not!"
(laughter)
JOHN: "I'm quite normal,
my Swedish friends."
(laughter, the Beatles
recording of 'Twist And Shout' is played)
KLAS: "The songwriters
in the Beatles, they are John Lennon and Paul McCartney."
JOHN: (monotone)
"Hurray."
KLAS: "Tell us something
about how you find a song... how you get the idea about a song, to write it
down."
JOHN: "Well, sometimes
it's the words first, and then the music after."
KLAS: "Very often you've
got a title, you know... Me and you, and everything like that?"
PAUL: "Yeah. We try to
do that, to make it personal so it's...
so we really mean it. When we sing a
thing about 'I love you,' it's easier."
JOHN: (singing) "'And
don't you forget it!'"
JOHN & PAUL: (singing
together, jokingly) "'I love you and don't you forget it!'"
PAUL: "Well, you see,
it's easier than singing something about the cat that lives on the hill,
man."
(laughter)
PAUL: "It's a lot easier
just to sing about what you feel yourself."
KLAS: "And you've given
a lot of nice numbers to Billy J. Kramer."
JOHN: (loudly) "Well,
he's our good friend and mate... buddy... pal... friend."
PAUL: "Yeah. Listen to
'Bad To Me,' folks."
KLAS: "Your latest
recording is called..?
PAUL: "It's called 'She
Loves You.' And there's story to this one, how we wrote it. We were on tour
with Roy Orbison, and Gerry and the Pacemakers. And we were in Newcastle, up
north of England, and we were in a hotel room. We had about three days left in
which to write a song. We had a recording date set for three days from this
date. So we went to the hotel, and we
booked in a room, and we just decided that we have to write a song very
quickly. So, we sat down, no ideas came for a bit. But eventually, we got an idea. 'She Loves You' came, you know. It was
just lucky."
KLAS: "But from the
start that was supposed to be the B-side, John?"
JOHN: "The B-side of
'She Loves You' was meant to be the A-side. And the same for 'From Me To you.'
The B-Side of 'From Me To You' was the A-side, and then we wrote another song
after."
KLAS: "Well, it..."
JOHN: "Came out
better."
PAUL: "Yeah, see, we
write one song, then we can get going then after that and get more ideas after
having written one song. So, we wrote 'I'll Get You' which is the B-side,
first. And then 'She Loves You' came after that, you know. We got ideas from
that, and we recorded it."
KLAS: "Yes."
PAUL: "And there ya
go."
KLAS: "It sounds very
easy, all of it."
JOHN: "Sometimes it's
easy. Sometimes it's hard."
RINGO: (jokingly) "We
find it difficult sometimes!"
(laughter)
KLAS: (jokingly) "Thanks, Ringo."
(John and Paul giggle)
KLAS: "Well, singing
too. All of you. You're singing, actually."
PAUL: "Yeah, we all
sing."
JOHN: "The Singing
Dogs."
RINGO: "You know me...
'Boys.'"
(Beatles laugh)
PAUL: "We've written a
new song for Ringo which we are gonna do on our new LP."
KLAS: "Yes, what about
that new LP? When?"
JOHN: "It's September,
isn't it?"
PAUL: "No, it's
November."
JOHN: (jokingly perturbed at
being corrected) "Okay, okay!"
(laughter)
PAUL: "Don't know when
it'll get to Sweden, though, but we hope it'll get there in November. (nasal
voice) And we hope it sells!"
KLAS: "Alright."
PAUL: "That's all I can
say."
KLAS: "Alright. RIght
now, we'll listen to 'She Loves You.'"
(Beatles yell 'Hurray!' and
applaud)
PAUL: "More!"
RINGO: "Play it
twice."
('She Loves You' is played) Followed by closing music which ends the program.
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